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I understand what you're saying, I just have an issue with creating a brand new site for this. That is what will lower our activity. Plus, if we just create a forum here for this, everyone will have access to it without having to join a new website and try to balance both of them. Plus, that would be more foot traffic going through this site if this brings in new users, instead of using a bridge between the two.
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POSTEDAug 19, 2019 20:49:55 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I just don't see why making a whole new site is really necessary when we have a perfectly good human rp forum that is barely touched where we can still roleplay in this unique setting while also contributing activity to Classic at the same time. I'm just worried that we will be putting a lot of effort into something that we can implement on the site. Also, I worry that people will not be able to keep up with two sites and ultimately will have to choose one or the other. We can still do the idea, but I would much prefer we not make a completely separate sister site, especially since I feel we don't entirely have the activity for it.
We can still recruit new members with the idea by advertising that we now have human roleplay.
Except we don't have the ability to flesh out a human rp forum on this website. Classic is primarily about warriors, we don't have the space to expand and add in a more expansive human rp unfortunately. We only really have a small section that just doesn't allow for much expansion People really like the idea of a human rp, and we just don't have the space to accomodate a fully realized one on this website, which is why Faith and Prim are suggesting this. We already have so much on this site at the moment, and this one would be more of a place of just some silly fun where we can goof off.
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POSTEDAug 19, 2019 20:55:38 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
Yeah but shouldn't this site also be used for silly fun ideas where we goof off? I also don't entirely understand why it's too hard to expand a human rp on this site? I feel it would be much harder to make and layout for an entirely separate site then it would be just to use the perfectly good one we have now.
I don't see why we can't expand the form we have now? Use BBcode layouts within threads to make little rp descriptions for each house/clan/gang and stuff. People already complain that people aren't active enough on classic, and by creating a sister site people will have to divide their attention between the two now. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not saying I don't like the idea, because I think it could be fun to do, but I don't see why we have to make a completely separate site for it.
Then I suggest a trial period to see how many people actually are interested in this, and that can be in a forum. What is being suggested is a humanized version of our cats, which could be easily implemented on this site, especially since this is where the cats are from. A brand new site is too much for our current capabilities. It would require a lot of effort, and for an idea that could potentially just fall through. It doesn't have to be something huge, and we can easily have something fleshed out in the forums here. Fleshed out does not have to mean complicated.
I think Spot is right, if we're grown up enough to swear and are allowed to talk about politics, than we're more than okay to call them Gangs. I would feel I'm demeaning the members of Classic when everyone so far has voted Gangs if I end up fluffing it to something else.
If you look at my post you'll see that Human Rping vs Classic as Humans offers different benefits.
While I understand that there's a natural fear that Classic as Humans could outdo Classic that's highly unlikely for a few reasons.
1) Making a successful site is hard, ask anyone on Classic who's tried to make their own
2) The website would never steal our members because there's no demand for activity, if they rp there it is because they simply want to
3) The whole point of the website is it's an alternate universe to Classic, rping on Classic is what makes Classic as Humans fun
The members page on the gangs would list out everyone's names to show that there are leaders in charge, but they will not be demanded to participate, but instead simply show there's a presence in the listing.
Post by xxundeadxx on Aug 19, 2019 21:03:35 GMT -5
Why are there activity requirements at all? Its unnecessary, forces people to get burned out, and most of all makes it feel like more of a chore and less of something fun to do in their free time.
I thank you for explaining on those points, Faith, but I do disagree on something.
The lack of activity requirements is exactly why people will gravitate there. There is no stress of getting their weekly contributions, and they're able to just have fun. The lack of requirements will let creativity fly, because right now, since leaders and above are required to have x about of posts, the roleplays are taking a toll. Why have creative and fun roleplays when you will be punished for taking the time to enjoy it? You could just make some default thread starters and reply with short responses, and you will be rewarded by not being demoted. We already have a problem with many people not being able to make these requirements, and that is a problem. I know of users who have left because of they were unable to make those requirements, and many more who want to leave.
I know I'm getting off topic here, but my point is this. We should focus on this site before making a sister site. Besides, human roleplays would count as posts for helper mods/admins, and could possibly, if we put the effort in, help with leader's posts with their clan cats being humans.
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POSTEDAug 19, 2019 21:15:41 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I agree with most of what Evelyn said so I won't rehash what has already been said, or at least won't try to.
I just feel creating a sister site at this point in time would be bad for classic, especially since we're already struggling with activity on this site and keeping our current user base happy. I just don't feel it's a good idea to try to expand in the current state we're in. If anything, we should be focusing on reaching out to other proboards sites and becoming affiliated with them to help our current site rather then trying to expand to a sister site. On top of that, I'm worried that the sister site will eventually become a separate entity entirely. After all, who will be in charge of adding new members to the list and all those fun things if a user that is a leader doesn't want to be involved in the sister site? Who will be staff on this sister site? All that jazz. There is just a lot of downsides to this at this moment, I feel.
Post by xxundeadxx on Aug 19, 2019 21:22:11 GMT -5
@lavellan I'm just a lurker, I just jump between forms without really making accounts, just wanted voice my opinion from an outsider point of view. I jumped on this site a while ago and just came back to see how its it's going.. honestly I'm sad at how low the user count has gotten, and I feel like the moderators and admins are choking it.
I agree that the requirements are a little much but it did get to a point where we needed it. Pages were getting clustered with unused cats, inactive people were holding high positions. Yeah, it's a pain but we need structure for such a big site. It's going to he nice to have a sister site but Faith is right. I've tried making my own site and it's not easy. It may not get as big as this site. And the reason the count is down is because everyone on here grew up with this site back when the Warrior Cats was a huge deal. Now it's kind of died away and all that's left are the ones that grew up on here, such as myself. And we are all adults now with jobs, kids, and a life. I personally am all for this new site. It's a whole new outlook and I love it! It gives us a taste of something different!
I want to be clear in my main point of my argument before I actually argue, as to not be misconstrued or misinterpreted as sometimes happen in debate settings.
I think that this idea is dangerous, diverts energy from the main site and ultimately can cause more harm than good for the site. I am strongly against the site doing something like this.
That being said, I would love a universe where the cats I've loved are humans. Human RP is easier because uh we're humans and we don't have to worry about personifying too hard, it's more interesting because it significantly opens the realm of possibilities, and is overall super enjoyable.
If I like the idea, why am I strongly against it, you might ask.
1. Dangerous - What if people decide that they like roleplaying humans better? We are all older now. I bet most of us are rping here because a) nostalgia points and b) we have always rped here and wouldn't know where else to go. If we suddenly had another option, especially one where we could use our characters we've spent a long time rping / growing, what is to say that people might lose the charm for cat rp? This might not be a problem for many users, but it could be a very real problem for some users. It's very possible that users will gravitate towards humans and away from cats. There are some other questions, too. Will people who join the human site but don't join the cat site be considered members of the classic community? Would we expect that members on the human site also have activity on the cat site? Could people add characters there that don't make it to the cat site? How would opening a human site get more people interested in rping cats? It might bring more people to a Classic affiliated site, but like if people want to rp humans primarily like that's what they're going to do. What about the users on classic who would prefer human rp only?What would we do if this caused a loss of members because well if I can rp my characters there, why would I rp them here too? I think of the time when Illustrated Reality was a big thing, where members of classic would join IR for human rp, and progressively those users stopped coming on classic. Imagine, then, if IR had been connected with Classic, how dangerous it could have been to our member base if well, I'm not really quitting Classic, I'm just roleplaying on the human site.
2. Diverts energy- Any attention that is taken away from the main site should be counted as a loss. Every post made on the other site would be a post that could have been posted on the site. I don't believe that the idea that there wouldn't be an activity requirement is a counterargument at all. Faith said that users would only rp there if they wanted to. This is true. However, this doesn't actually solve the idea that people will be on a completely different site making contributions when they could be on regular classic. Users who want to roleplay Classic humans will have to divide their time between two sites. Say a user had one hour a week to roleplay on Classic. Suddenly, there is a classic human site. The user is excited about this! Now, the user must divide that one hour between the two sites. Even if only 10 minutes of that hour are spent on classic humans, that's still ten minutes that the user can no longer spend on Classic. This might have been something that would have been okay to try over the summer, but I have significant worries about starting it during the school year. Our members already often feel crunched for activity during the school year; we should not be taking steps that could make it easier for their activity to be divided knowing that our school year activity is always lower than our regular activity.
I think that the idea is fun and can generate interest for human rp. That being said, I think that it would generate interest that ultimately would harm the site more than it would help it. By creating an affiliate site like that, we are opening up a can of worms, and there's no way to know how that can of worms will spill, ya know?
I will not comment on the details of activity because I'm entertainment, but if you want to really delve in and discuss activity you can make another discussion, this one is about Classic as Humans though.
All good points Ian, I'm sure you must get sick of me saying this with my optimistic attitude, but you never know until you try. To me, the more dangerous thought that I've heard from our members is our fear of change. In the past people were worried LKR and SC & DF would take up our time despite our members yearning to have it once more. For years we neglected our members wants and when we finally gave in it proved to not divert attention nor take over Classic. I trust our members wants because I recognize that the ones who want this are those who rp in the human rp forum section. They have always kept up on Classic and have not gotten distracted so I see no reason to fear a what if scenario about the website injuring us. If we never try anything new we'll never know where it takes us. C'mon Ian, I know you want a Kerrigan and Glow supernatural journey, take it with me ;D
