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I have a lot to say about this topic that I probably won’t (I don’t see how a new staff helps anything since we’ve had these same issues with multiple sets of staff), but there’s one thing I don’t want to let stand.
Vulpixkit, maybe I’m just misreading your post, but I’m shocked and angry that you would insinuate our staff are still making shady decisions to purposefully harm our members and establish our own power. That is not how Classic has worked in a long time and it hurts that you think so little of all of us. Furthermore, if you truly believe your accusations, please provide concrete evidence and not slander. You are doing harm to multiple users and that is not acceptable.
I for one would be absolutely fine if the same Admins are voted in to power. Like I said before, I’m not against the current Administration, I just think we’d all feel more on the same page if we all chose our Administrators collectively.
And I don’t think people need to take what has been said personally. Criticism of how a position has been used by people in the past is not a criticism of people currently holding that position. Some things may have come off wrong on both sides in this thread, but part of being adults is talking through things you disagree on without getting offended by the fact that someone disagrees with you. We have to be realistic in the fact that not everyone is going to support whatever decision we make as a group, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t getting along.
I apologize if anything I’ve said has hurt anyone. Several people have simply shared their experiences on this thread, and shutting down people who point out wrong things they’ve seen is stifling conversations that need to be had.
"I think that when voting for admins/mods/deputies/leaders/etc, we should have those who are interested apply and THEN vote. Maybe that was the idea but I’m worried some people believe that just anyone will get thrown into the positions. Those who are fair and with good activity should be the ones that lead and have a successful past history with activity and fairness."
A response to the survey that I believe should be here.
I have a lot to say about this topic that I probably won’t (I don’t see how a new staff helps anything since we’ve had these same issues with multiple sets of staff), but there’s one thing I don’t want to let stand.
Vulpixkit, maybe I’m just misreading your post, but I’m shocked and angry that you would insinuate our staff are still making shady decisions to purposefully harm our members and establish our own power. That is not how Classic has worked in a long time and it hurts that you think so little of all of us. Furthermore, if you truly believe your accusations, please provide concrete evidence and not slander. You are doing harm to multiple users and that is not acceptable.
I've just caught up on everything that is being said but I feel like a lot of the people reading are taking it as a full blown attack. I love you all, but all we're trying to do is let it be known that there is a flaw in the system and nobody is exempt of guilt. The problem is the vast rift between Admins, and the majority of the Staff & RU's. Nobody is meaning to make it a personal attack, and so far all of the arguments have been very civil. I don't see anyone getting in a heated argument, we're all just trying to make ourselves heard.
I personally believe that leaders should be able to chose their deputies because not everyone just chooses friends. In a lot of discussions about staff selections I've been a part of what is mainly talked about is their activity both in a particular clan and onsite in general. Some leaders hardly know their deputies before they are chosen so I believe that is fine as it is. I do believe the first set of leaders should be voted in by classic should the rehaul happen but that is something completely different in my opinion.
Term limits is kind of tricky. I can't say I have a solid stance on this yet to be honest.
As for resetting the current staff I am also against this. Going through a rehaul would be hard enough but could you imagine how chaotic it would be if people were still trying to get used to a new position? This isn't the current admin team's fault and I see no reason to boot them out of their positions unless there is solid evidence of wrongdoing that can be brought forth. Can the way admins are chosen be overhauled? Yes. I am still debating suggestions for this part so I might post more later.
I do believe Admins should have separate duties. The way they are separated at the moment seems to work fine for me. I'm willing to listen to everyone's opinions though and if I see a better idea, my mind is not set in stone.
I haven't read the RU helper mod suggestion yet give me a bit and I will put my thoughts on that.
I personally believe that leaders should be able to chose their deputies because not everyone just chooses friends. In a lot of discussions about staff selections I've been a part of what is mainly talked about is their activity both in a particular clan and onsite in general. Some leaders hardly know their deputies before they are chosen so I believe that is fine as it is. I do believe the first set of leaders should be voted in by classic should the rehaul happen but that is something completely different in my opinion.
Term limits is kind of tricky. I can't say I have a solid stance on this yet to be honest.
As for resetting the current staff I am also against this. Going through a rehaul would be hard enough but could you imagine how chaotic it would be if people were still trying to get used to a new position? This isn't the current admin team's fault and I see no reason to boot them out of their positions unless there is solid evidence of wrongdoing that can be brought forth. Can the way admins are chosen be overhauled? Yes. I am still debating suggestions for this part so I might post more later.
I do believe Admins should have separate duties. The way they are separated at the moment seems to work fine for me. I'm willing to listen to everyone's opinions though and if I see a better idea, my mind is not set in stone.
I haven't read the RU helper mod suggestion yet give me a bit and I will put my thoughts on that.
Just really quickly going to add what I meant was that I don't see the point in having multiple positions, y'know? Maybe two or three is fine for better organization but I don't see a huge point in LM and OM, personally. If There were say separate categories where there were two admins tackling that category, it might work better. I just think it would be a better way in shoveling less stress from a certain Admin. Kinda like how EM and OM was talked about combining from what I saw.
I think it would be smart to keep the current Admin team, they all have the experience needed to see the site through whatever changes are decided. I agree with Faded that completely changing them at this point in time would most likely do more harm than good, I don't know any of them on a deeper level seeing as I have not been here for very long at all and maybe that makes my opinion null.
It could be that we keep the current admin/mod positions and simply change the way those in the future are chosen.
So this is just kind of a compromise, but 1/2 the people want to elect all new admins and 1/2 would like them to remain in place so that it’s not to chaotic. What if the current admins remain in place until 6 months after the decision about where to go with the site has been made? That will keep some stability while all of the clans are changing, but still help set the six months as a standard. At the end of the six months, then we could have elections. If the rus and mods feel like the admins have done their jobs in that time, then they will be re-elected. It will also allow the heat of current discussions to pass so that it isn’t clouding anyone’s judgement.
Post by aberrantfox on Aug 21, 2019 19:26:17 GMT -5
OM is a more complicated job then you might think it is.
One person is responsible for:
- The revamp site - the offsite social media accounts being created or brought back to life (soemthing im working on) - sharing classic outside of the pb and classic world such as voting sites forums. - maintaining the advertising thread - promoting affiliations
and theres more if i wasnt dealing with high blood pressure right now id give you more. but that is so much for even one person to handle. now go divide that up between three people plus all their jobs.
I actually really like Racer’s compromise, and Aberrant brings up a good point that some jobs are more complex than we know. Maybe the other Admins can talk about if they think any changes need to be made to the Admin duties? It may be that they stay the same roles, or they may need to adapt if we reboot the site.
Like I said I'm just kinda shoveling ideas out there, because we definitely won't get anywhere if ideas aren't brought up, so thanks for letting me know. It was only a passing thought so I honestly meant no harm behind it, just that I want to know if there's a way to improve Admin duties and such. I also really miss layout revamps honestly.
Post by aberrantfox on Aug 21, 2019 19:34:04 GMT -5
Yes I am trying to convince leaders that the revamp site is up and available for them to use for clan revamps. its just hard because of the lack of users who are proficient in html or bbcode so they tend to ask users they know are talented to make layouts for them or just try themselves. But we also miss the clan revamp contests and are trying to promote it. As well as the general use of the Revamp site.
please remember that this post is only and explicitly for ideas on a voting system and other ideas for staff currently and in the future. this thread is not meant to be an attack on anyone and how they are doing right now, just to put out new ideas for a voting system. I already said how I personally feel and will not input any further until I can get off my phone LOL
I have a lot to say about this topic that I probably won’t (I don’t see how a new staff helps anything since we’ve had these same issues with multiple sets of staff), but there’s one thing I don’t want to let stand.
Vulpixkit, maybe I’m just misreading your post, but I’m shocked and angry that you would insinuate our staff are still making shady decisions to purposefully harm our members and establish our own power. That is not how Classic has worked in a long time and it hurts that you think so little of all of us. Furthermore, if you truly believe your accusations, please provide concrete evidence and not slander. You are doing harm to multiple users and that is not acceptable.
You are very much indeed misreading my post.
Would you find explaining it further then? Your edit makes it entirely worse in my interpretation because you are now telling anyone who feels offended they were insulted that they are the problem — and again, I don’t believe that’s an appropriate response. If you could clear it up so I understand where you’re coming from it would be a big help so we aren’t seeing this issue differently.
"No matter what other people may say, we are the protagonists of the world." - Keji Akaashi
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Post by rika on Aug 21, 2019 20:24:36 GMT -5
I think her post was to perhaps highlight that staff in the past has been known to be biased, and that she wasn't particularly stating the staff now is like that. But rather that they know it was a problem previously and that there's a chance it can be a problem in the future/etc. But that's what I gathered from the post, so idk. I could be wrong.
Why are we focusing on staff in the past? From what I’m reading and hearing, and I’m trying to get through all the post so bare with me, but it seems like we’re talking and staff that’s hasn’t been staff in a while, a long while. Can we focus on the staff we have now and had recently, like as recent as the move to proboards? And those we’ll have in the future and how they should come into their position, such as voting?
"No matter what other people may say, we are the protagonists of the world." - Keji Akaashi
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Post by rika on Aug 21, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
Though I agree we shouldn't focus on staff in the past, the reason its being brought up is to specifically show there has been a problem before. We learn from our past mistakes & etc, y'know? Its not to call out the current staff but to point out that things weren't working right in the past and that we need to discuss a change.
Personally, I agree that wiping the entire staff isn't technically a in all smart decision if we're also talking about wiping the clans anew and starting over. It would definitely create more stress and harm.
If we wipe the staff now, who’ll run things? Who’ll help with the revamp? People who volunteer? And who will that be? What role will the staff have in the remodel? Or deletion? Or future in general? How do we select new staff? Demotions?
These aren’t meant to be bad questions or to call anyone out or to be rude. They’re merely ones I’ve had while reading things. It’s questions we’d have to ask either way we go with things. They’re one start new dti en addressed and kept in mind when decisions are made.
I’m by no means for getting rid of who we have now. They’re trying and that’s all someone can do. They’re hearing you, but like me it’s gonna take them a bit to read everyone thoughts and opinions so don’t give up on them now and just say get rid of them. Would you want that to happen to you if you were in their spot? To get this be a position only recently, even if you’ve ha fit before only for everyone to say begin with you before you’ve had a chance to help? Just try to keep that in mind.
Don’t think I’m trying to rude or dismissive anyone, I’m not and I’m sorry if it seems that way but from how I’ve read things it’s happen to those in the staff and they aren’t here to represent themselves at the moment so I’ll do my part. I’m all for a uphaul if it helps or a new mean of voting staff in but take a breath and look at everything with clear eyes and an open heart, please. I want is all to be heard but we shouldn’t be fighting or arguing or being mean to people. This may seem a little out of place but I wanted to say it. In a world where w exam be anything, let’s be kind, please.
