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11.06.2022 The site has been transformed into an archive. Thank you for all the memories here!
Here on Classic we understand that sometimes life can get difficult and we struggle. We may need to receive advice, vent, know that we are not alone in our difficult times, or even just have someone listen to what's going on in our lives. In light of these times, we have created the support threads below that are open to all of our members at any time.
Yes, I’m on Fadedecho’s side. We still have our memories, but there’s no sugarcoating this. If we continue to do nothing, we will continue to fight and it will get us nowhere. It will kill Classic, if you don’t mind the dramatic saying.
I like the the sound of four Clans and two unique groups. It works, it’s not overwhelming, and we can come up with new and better ideas.
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POSTEDAug 21, 2019 14:05:37 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I agree. Part of what makes Classic different is because of the groups. In my opinion, having four clans and two groups benefits the site not only for the smaller number of areas to play in, but also continues to offer you that variety you crave.
I think the only standing problem we have to focus on discussing is how new Leaders and Deputies would be chosen, given we do start from scratch. I can safely say I hadn't considered what Jet pointed out, and now that I think about it a nomination system in itself might not be the best of ideas. People make friends and cliques, after all, and who's to say any of the nominations would be unbiased, right? That, in my opinion, is definitely the only problem that would hold us back.
The thing with deleting current clans and keeping other is it allows us to be voluntary. It can allow us to proceed slowly with change, rather than jump right into it.
It's not hard to change up how a group acts and is run. SunClan became a glorious cult. WinterClan was a kingdom, then back to a clan, had prison guards, warriors and a rescue team, and shifted to having basically a sovereign and knights for a time.
Groups can change easily when a leader moves in, it's that leaders right to be able to change the clan up to make it their own for a time.
While yes if we stick a number out we're going to be stuck debating on perhaps the ones that'll come after the survival clans and AL, it means we're not punishing leaders of clans who have run a tight ship and kept things stable. Plus if we start cutting into groups like the Mountain Clans, or PI those leaders could perhaps come with creative ways they can change. Do the mountain clans become two clans instead? If we give the leaders some elbow room, maybe WinterClan conquers SpringClan under Leatherstar's leadership and now they are one clan going forwards.
Maybe PI and AL go to war and destroy one another causing them to die out.
It doesn't have to mean drama we can still cut down on the number and keep the groups, as long as the members talk about it and we figure out how we can make these transfers less painful. But I don't want to start cutting away at teams that have worked well together. Like Honey has had Racer as deputy I think since before we left wikifoundry. I've had Spot, and Racer since January. Faith has had uniq as her mc for a long time. And the three of us have been leaders and kept our clans consistent for the most part for me a year, for them 2 even through the change to proboards.
I'm not listing out pros and cons very cleanly I know but there's going to be drama either way. You're not going to get out of it, so what we have to do is figure out the best way to get a change done.
For ease of organization, I created this survey, although please know that it is not official and will not have any effect on this discussion. It is just simply for organization. You can always edit your vote if you happen to change your mind, so don't worry about that! And I will of course share with everyone the count! (as stated in the "survey", usernames will be kept private, unless you want them shared)
edit; for the old users that left the site that are stalking this thread, feel free to put your opinion in as well!! this survey is for everyone!!!
I think the only fair way would be for there to be nominations. Users could nominate who they thought would be a good leader and this could be anyone whether they are on staff as a leader at the moment or not. It gives everyone a fair shot at something new. Then classic as a whole could vote on the ones that were mentioned in the nominations.
I think the only standing problem we have to focus on discussing is how new Leaders and Deputies would be chosen, given we do start from scratch. I can safely say I hadn't considered what Jet pointed out, and now that I think about it a nomination system in itself might not be the best of ideas. People make friends and cliques, after all, and who's to say any of the nominations would be unbiased, right? That, in my opinion, is definitely the only problem that would hold us back.
I think that, if we chose to start from scratch, we would hold a contest for creating the new clans and groups. The entire site could vote on which ones they like, and the creator of it could be the leader. Then we hold tryouts normally.
edit; although tbh i do like the ideas that you guys are giving. I change my mind on the creator being leader. We could have nominations and vote on who we believe would be a good leader for the new groups.
I agree with Faded’s idea about nominations. It’s fair and will allow everyone to have a say, rather than it being left up to a small team that will be biased to a point.
May I also mention that though change is scary and completely overhauling the site to some is like staring at a giant monster that wants to squash them with its foot, change is good. Completely overhauling the site and giving the site a chance to breathe and enter into a new stage of life offers future opportunities that, let’s admit, the site doesn’t have and may never have with the trajectory it’s on.
It’s far better to say hakuna matata and leave the worries in the past rather than fight to keep pieces of it alive, like shrapnel still buried in your heart.
That actually sounds like a decent idea. We actually had that going for CC5v2 and the creator of the Clan would become Leader, etc. Plus you would obviously consider activity of that user, how well they have led in the past, etc. I actually really like the idea of a contest being held.
Just gonna pop in & say I would 100% come back to the site if we had a smaller number of clans and groups. 4 clans and 2 groups sounds absolutely wonderful. I have struggled many times in the past to remain active because I always create a ton of characters, trying to create families and stories in each clan and group so I could roleplay with everyone. It was quite stressful.
I think the only standing problem we have to focus on discussing is how new Leaders and Deputies would be chosen, given we do start from scratch. I can safely say I hadn't considered what Jet pointed out, and now that I think about it a nomination system in itself might not be the best of ideas. People make friends and cliques, after all, and who's to say any of the nominations would be unbiased, right? That, in my opinion, is definitely the only problem that would hold us back.
I think that, if we chose to start from scratch, we would hold a contest for creating the new clans and groups. The entire site could vote on which ones they like, and the creator of it could be the leader. Then we hold tryouts normally.
Quick question. What will we do in the case that a clan (or multiple) is created by more than one user? Who becomes leader? And, do those who helped create the clan/group automatically make up some of the staff? Because, more likely than not, it'll be groups of people creating clans from scratch, not individuals. (Except in maybe a few cases)
Also, I would like to address the whole "new mod/admin staff" part as well. I understand that it is hard to give up a position that you hold dear, but please look at this for what's best for Classic rather than refusing this idea altogether because you don't want to give up your position. There's no one saying that there's not a possibility of you keeping it anyway, throughout all of this. Or even being able to get it back in the future. Most of us just want what's best for Classic as a whole.
Post by simplylight on Aug 21, 2019 14:18:26 GMT -5
I actually don't prefer the contest and that is simply because some people have better experience with code than others. Their clans are going to look better than a new user's because they have the experience to make it nice. So maybe we don't do layouts with it, ya know? Also, I don't have the energy to create a whole new layout and stuff for a clan that may not get voted into existence lol.
Edit: So I guess I don't mind the contest tbh. I just don't want it to be a coding competition because that isn't fair.
Also 4 and 2 sounds fine to me
Edited Aug 21, 2019 14:19:03 GMT -5 By simplylight
I actually don't prefer the contest and that is simply because some people have better experience with code than others. Their clans are going to look better than a new user's because they have the experience to make it nice. So maybe we don't do layouts with it, ya know? Also, I don't have the energy to create a whole new layout and stuff for a clan that may not get voted into existence lol.
Edit: So I guess I don't mind the contest tbh. I just don't want it to be a coding competition because that isn't fair.
Also 4 and 2 sounds fine to me
This is also a fair point. We could always strip away any crazy coding & etc, or offer up a template users can use etc. There's always a way to level the playing field we just have to figure it out.
Honeystorm That's a good point, thank you for bringing it up! I will have to think about that one, but I will let you know what ideas I come up with!
simplylight I was hoping that people would be able to look past layouts and look at the idea of the clan/group in general. Perhaps people would be willing to volunteer to provide layouts for those who struggle with coding, just so people don't look at the idea and shrug it off because it doesn't look pretty. I mean, personally I would love to practice more with coding, so I would be willing to help with layouts.
Post by Honeystorm on Aug 21, 2019 14:23:44 GMT -5
Also, to add. People may not work as hard for a clan, knowing they aren't guaranteed a position. Even more so if it's multiple people putting in time and effort, only for a leader to start the new clan, and maybe decide they don't like it and suddenly change it into something entirely different. Which, if a group was voted on, users might be upset as well, if they choose something, and it is suddenly switched into something else.
"No matter what other people may say, we are the protagonists of the world." - Keji Akaashi
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Post by rika on Aug 21, 2019 14:25:22 GMT -5
Also piping in to what Lavellan was saying, but I may not be particularly pro-skilled at layouts, but I'd like to think mine are good. Even if I'm sitting in the sidelines, I'd also be willing to help.
