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Maybe in rebooting with new clans, we can nominate teams in addition to individual users to lead the newly created clans. With a new concept we are going to need solid users who work well together and are committed to getting the new groups off the ground.
It's tough, but some people are just going to lose their positions. It's unavoidable, it's like when companies go out of business. They can be nominated for a new leadership position, or a moderator position, or they can pitch in with us regular RU's to rebuild from the ground up. When you cut down from 14 groups to 4-6, we are undoubtedly going to have less leadership positions.
Perhaps territory maps can be repurposed? They can be worked into the lore, or there can be a larger group effort to create new ones of the same quality. _
As I stated in another thread, I don't plan on roleplaying on the new site, at least not immediately, unless the issues I had seemed to be resolved. However, I am 100% willing to work behind the scenes. I have experience in worldbuilding and I wouldn't mind working with others to write new lore, new backstories for groups, and to offer suggestions and chime in to discussions in rebuilding a site.
There are definitely much more pros than cons in this situation, and it’s really looking appealing. Not only that, but it’s necessary.
Now is the hard part, figuring out which Clans to keep. I think there should be a vote, of course. I get it, nobody wants to let go of their Clans, I can say I definitely don’t, but we have to. And who knows, maybe that Clan or group will end up on the reboot. That’s probably the biggest problem and cause the most discourse.
I am in favor of totally getting rid of current clans, for the time being, and creating new ones. This seems far more equal to me than arguing about which 6-10 clans we want to delete. I feel like that conversation will go no where and cause a lot of anger.
My previous post has details about nominating groups of people to lead the new clans we create, especially teams that work well together already.
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POSTEDAug 21, 2019 12:45:56 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
See, deleting the Clans and starting completely fresh was my original thoughts too. That means we’re all starting fresh and don’t have to choose, I just didn’t want to say anything??? And making new Clans would be fun, because we can take ideas and work around the problems of the previous ones and make new, better Clans.
Post by simplylight on Aug 21, 2019 12:48:55 GMT -5
Hiya! Another idea that I would like to point out is the idea of clan deletion. I know this has been frowned upon in the past, especially by me, but we are in a different situation than we were a year ago. All 3 survival clan leaders have mentioned they do not mind offering their clans up for deletion. As much as we (the staff/site) love them, the leaders (and me deputy) see the need for less clans. The survival clans have struggled in the past and some are struggling now. That's not because of lack of effort, it's simply because we are spread too thin. All the staff of the survival clans aren't giving up on them, per say, just realize the need for cutting down. Unfortunately, they simply don't fit in with the rest of the site. I know the overhaul sounds great to some, but this is another option for those who are unsure about such a big change.
Im in favor with the majority on this thread. Do a complete wipe of the Clans, and build from the ground up. Not only does it spare tears for choosing Clans to delete, it also creates a new opportunity to be creative with a completely new team. It'd be the best outcome, in my opinion. Especially if there was a Nomination system for Leaders ( and/or ) Deputies.
Yeah, if we voted on Clans then, most likely, the Clans wouldn’t really fit well together? Like it’d be a bit weird to new members wouldn’t it? Anyway, as much as I love SpringClan, I’d be okay if it were deleted. I think fixing our problems is more important than keeping the Clans which are causing them(not pointing out anyone specific!!) like, we can’t have Clans and no roleplayers in them can we?
Fair point! Just as an example, if we keep the ones that are doing well that Faith pointed out, Summerclan, Waterclan and Nightclan, plus 1-3 more, that would be a group that won’t mesh well.
It’s far more beneficial, in my opinion, to create a group of 4-5 clans that has a united backstory, similar traditions, and more interconnected relations. Plus, creating a new group of clans would be a fun creative exercise for the whole site. If everyone gets a chance to offer up names and other ideas it’s not an exclusive change.
Post by simplylight on Aug 21, 2019 13:07:14 GMT -5
"All 3 survival clan leaders have mentioned they do not mind offering their clans up for deletion. As much as we (the staff/site) love them, the leaders (and me deputy) see the need for less clans. The survival clans have struggled in the past and some are struggling now. That's not because of lack of effort, it's simply because we are spread too thin. All the staff of the survival clans aren't giving up on them, per say, just realize the need for cutting down. Unfortunately, they simply don't fit in with the rest of the site."
I'm just going to put this here again c'x this never happens
That is really really generous of the survival clan leaders, and I think it’s a step in the right direction, but I truly don’t think it will be enough. That brings us down to 11 groups, while I think 4-6 is the best number for the amount of users that we have right now.
However, if the majority of the people aren’t comfortable starting over that would be a step to take. But from what I’m seeing, most people who responded to this thread support the idea of beginning again.
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POSTEDAug 21, 2019 13:31:35 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I would like to start this off by saying I’m incredibly proud of everyone who’s making an active effort to help the site and find a new path that leads toward success. If you look at any business that does well, they don’t remain stagnant in their ways, assured that there will still be one or two customers that come around wanting the same item they’ve bought for the last 20 years. They evolve and grow to fit with the times and attract new clientele. It’s natural to adapt and evolve; everything on this planet does so.
I am completely for revamping the site. I’ve had to do that for my own site once before, and while it was difficult for me to oversee as the Creator of the site, I knew it was for the best and it was. Being a site creator or an admin means making the decisions you may not be comfortable with and may consist of taking risks. That’s why you’re there. When you start fighting the flow that is life and growth, you attempt to do something that in the end will crack and leave a wide ravine between yourself and those who long to continue to flpurish with the times.
While I understand some of you will experience heartache at losing your clans and some of you will believe with your clan active you’re exempt, however, it’s been stated before in this thread. To do an overhaul means to do an overhaul. Do you want the sickly history of a site’s past drenched in tears and pain to remain attached to a few Clans that no longer belong in a plan much larger than any of them? It’s time to think outwardly, not inwardly. We must strive to do what is best for the site and our future. We want to know that when it comes time for us to move on, there will be others — new users who have joined — who will continue to love this site and allow it to continue to grow.
That is the sworn path of an Administrator and a Moderator. Not to remain wedged in nostalgia, but to think of the benefit of the site as a whole, instead of yourself.
Again, very well done for taking the initiative and fighting for your site so that you can continue to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Though I, like Sunlight, can’t assure you I’d remain on the new site or take part in any of the Clans, I would be happy to offer what I can behind the scenes to assist you in whatever way possible.
Keep up the momentum. You’re forging a new path to something great and new.
While some of us do like the idea sunlight . I don't entirely agree with people being demoted solely because they can't win the nominations. Some mods do feel they'd rather work as deputy or were thrust in their positions because the leader preceding them stepped down\was demoted. While yes nominations might sound great and all, but it reminds me of another voting system we have, Of the Month. Now, one of the things that sometimes sucks about OTM is, not everyone knows everybody. So you can't always nominate/vote for certain people, because you don't know them. Fortunately OTM is just a nice little badge of honor you get, it's a nice bit of recognition, but something as serious as who's going to pick things up?
That's big.
So that's why I'm leery of going with a nomination system to decide who stays and who goes. And if that's how we're going, I'm strongly against a reboot as it could punish leaders who's clans aren't struggling and have been doing very well, and we should instead let the Survival Clans be deleted as their leaders have volunteered rather than been forced out.
I admittedly don't have a suggestion to offer aside from seeing which mods would desire to step down, and would perhaps rather seek out a supporting staff role instead as it has been noted before some people like playing support over being leader.
I also don't think we need to go down to 6-4, we were doing quite well even with 14 clans and while everyone is certainly spread out I think we could handle 10-8. That at least removes several leaders and deputy positions that needs to be filled.
10 to 8 is a good start but only prolongs the inevitable. However, if 10 to 8 is a more comfortable stepping stone, I would look to the rest of these lovely people for their opinions on the matter.
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POSTEDAug 21, 2019 13:43:06 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I agree with you both, and it’s kind of conflicting. But this whole thing is conflicting anyway. I am willing to step down from SpringClan, and am fine with it being deleted. As much as I love it, it’s not as active as it could be and I feel it would be better. I was going to step down anyway, so this is a good time.
Now, I feel eight Clans should be the limit. Remember, we don’t want to intimidate new users, after all, and ten seems a tad much. Of course we could handle it, but I think eight should be the max.
the less the better. listen to what the newer members have been saying. we can handle it because we've been at it for 10 years, some of us. can a new member handle it just as well?
also, most of us have grown with the site so we've grown used to a large number of clans. a lot of warriors sites only have 4-8. that's a pretty big jump from 14.
the fact of the matter is we have to listen to what the people want. the people want a redo, the people want less, the people want new
Right now, no matter what we do, people will be upset, and we have to figure out which path will have the least amount of damage in the end. In the last 12 hours, we have lost three members. Three members who loved Classic dearly, but decided that it was a lost cause. In the past week, we have lost at least 6 members that I am aware of. We are chasing our own members away, and something needs to be done about it. We are trying to put out a burning skyscraper with just a single tiny bucket, while many of us have given up and are just watching the flames. What we need to do is rebuild from the ashes instead of trying to fight a futile battle. The way I see it, there are three paths that we could take.
DO NOTHING. What we have been doing. Pretend to be blind to the fact that everything around us is burning and we are suffocating in the smoke and toxins.
START FROM SCRATCH. Create brand new clans. Not only will this bring some fun and creativeness to the site, but it's a complete blank slate. Everyone will be on the same footing with this, and no one will be upset that so-and-so clan was chosen to be kept over theirs.
VOTE ON WHICH CLANS TO KEEP. But, everyone has put in so much work with the clans that we have. Years have gone into making them how they are now.
In my opinion, starting from scratch would be the best for the site. As Faded and Rikatu said, we could have somewhere between 4-6 groups total. I believe that 2-4 regular clans, and 2-3 groups would be sufficient. That way, we still have the traditional clans, but we also have our unique groups for those that want them. We could, of course, slowly bring it the old clans, one at a time, as we gain our activity. There has been many problems with us rushing the return of previous clans, which is why I say only a single group at a time, and when everyone believes that we will be able to handle it.
Change is needed. There is no point in arguing that we are fine, because we aren't. I am also in favor of rebooting the staff as well. Of course, with only a handful of clans, we could increase the amount of helper mods. We sorely lack them anyway, from what I can see. And something needs to be done about the current staff, which I know someone will probably complain about me saying. But when we literally just lost people because of the administration, again, something needs to be done. Admit it or not, some of the staff has been bullying others, which is definitely something that needs to be fixed.
I know a lot of people will be reading this through biased glasses, and therefore I ask that you read it again without them. If for some reason, this post still offends you after doing that, then I regret to say that you are probably part of the problem.
Not to add fuel to the fire, though that seems to be my current occupation 🔥, it’s too bad I’m not being paid I’d be a millionaire:
One site that failed alongside Classic was a warriors site entitled Warriors Fansite. They had 7 clans / groups and an LKR section and even they couldn’t keep their clans and groups active. Their pandemic was actually so major and affecting that administrators were taking on multiple leaderships just to keep the clans they loved on the site, which further pushed away new members when they saw that the administrators were monopolizing chances for growth. They were going downhill, unable to maintain the same activity with a much smaller member base, and instead of doing what we’re doing now, they panicked and through their panic the end of the site waved hello from the curbside.
Which is why I state, through experience, that a change from 14 clans and groups to 8 clans and groups is a good stepping stone to start out toward change. I don’t support keeping any of the current clans we have. That is where your drama and your conflict and your war will come in, sweet administrators. Fighting over who will stay. Who will lead the clan that stays.
Overhaul, I vote, with a smaller number of Clans. fadedecho is absolutely right.
Now, I shall politely bow out to get some breakfast. Wonderful work everyone.
I know some mods are going to lose their positions if this comes around, but I don't think anyone should take that as an insult or think that they just aren't good enough. There are less people on classic now at at the moment staff members heavily outweigh the total number of deputies and RU's which is something I personally don't agree with. One of my main goals in all of this is for us to build stronger bonds building something new together. We will have our memories of the old classic and everyone will have a chance to become staff again. I will admit I would be somewhat sad to lose my position through a reboot but at the same time the excitement of building something fresh and new with my friends and classic family would by far outweigh any sadness I feel over a position that doesn't really say anything about who I truly am ^-^
The thing is Jetclaw, that most of the people who don't want to have less than 8 Clans are mainly people who have juggled that exact amount of Clans for years now, as Lee has stated. New members should be or priority; if we don't bring in fresh and new members, let alone listen to what they are inputting, how are we going to progress? 8-10 In my opinion is definitely way too much. 8 Is better, but like I said, 6 would be ideal. Four Clans, and Two unique groups.
