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Post by ♪♫▬○♥• valiance •♥○▬♫♪ on Mar 18, 2019 22:15:31 GMT -5
Hii
I'd like to express my opinion that I think we are doing Activity Checks too frequently......... For someone like me who typically sticks to one clan/group, who has my busybusybee adult life to take care of, it can be a little hard to step outside my circle when it feels like every week there is another activity check to respond to. My inbox is flooded with Activity Checks, it feels daunting, and it makes me want to recoil and not reply to any of them lol... Often times I end up getting frustrated because I can't keep track of whether or not I was part of that clan and... I just give up trying because I have things to take care of. D: Sure, maybe I should be more active, maybe I'm absolute trash at keeping my crap together, but I feel like there's already a lot on my plate. So I assume my characters have been deleted and carry on. But at times like now where I want to roleplay in more than just RR I heave a big sigh because that means I gotta rejoin all over again. x.x I can see how ACs are necessary for ceremonies and patrols etc but maybe it would be a good idea to cut everyone some slack and do ACs every other month instead of every single month. The site isn't as active as it used to be (for now) so I feel like maybe slowing down with Activity Checks wouldn't be such a terrible idea. If someone wants their cat promoted they can just message the leader right? As for patrols, wouldn't it be more enticing to just casually be like "U Were randomly selected to lead morning patrol!! this is like the DRAFT SOOOO good luck!!!" idk doing patrols like that is more like real life anyway? ur cat wakes up and is told to lead. I mean I wake up and I'm supposed to go to work against my will so why can't my cats lives be the same huh. cx haha idk just some ideas.
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POSTEDMar 18, 2019 22:32:38 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I feel like Activity Checks are fine with being monthly. If you are inactive for a month then I mean... it's the best way to get rid of inactive characters and such. Not to mention if we didn't have as many AC's, which one month really isn't that bad, then people wouldn't have an incentive to roleplay to keep their cats and vice versa. If you don't want to rp in a Clan to save your characters, then delete a few characters. Though I mean if your only apart of two Clans I don't see how crazy hectic it can be.
Though I do think that, if some Activity Checks are being held at different times and intervals, it might get too chaotic and confusing. Especially when every week your responding to a new AC. I personally haven't been on the site long enough to know if its exactly giving off that aura, but if it is, then I do agree partially with your statement. Maybe AC's should have a sitewide set date for each month, rather than letting the Leader choose. Tbh, I feel like its always been on the 1st of each month, pr a week before the month ends, but I could be wrong.
As for patrols... yeah I'm drawing a blank. Patrols haven't ever been super popular or fun. I've thought about just having one patrol during my leaderships but never actually did it so. Idk.
I don't think AC's are happening more than once a month. Just that maybe one leader does there's the first week on Wednesday. Then another does it on the second week Saturday. So they all get scrambled and feel like they're happening every single week, which they are, but it's still within the cycle of a month.
However!
I do think it's really hard for members to be organized.
POSSIBLE SOLUTION:
I like roleplay sites where every other month the admins create a massive AC where the members list out the clans they're in, with keep, delete, promote, change, etc. And if members want they can type "all" for Keep and specify any characters they wish to delete in which clans. This way a leader knows to keep all of the persons cats except for the ones specified to delete. The AC would last two weeks because it's a bigger deal. Then when the AC is over it's up to the leaders to look at the AC and update their pages accordingly.
Pros
- Everyone knows when the AC will be
- There's a longer time period so members have time to respond and admins can send out a reminder the second week
- Leaders have less needed work
- Members have only one AC they need to keep track of
- Having "all" as an option makes it easier to put down what cats you want to keep while still making it simple to put down which cats you want deleted
- Clan leaders who forget AC's or vanish would still have a source to keep an up to date record of their members
- Staff can notice more easily if a leader isn't updating their members page from AC's
Cons
- Apprentices and kits would get promoted every other month instead of every month (although a leader could override that if someone wanted their kit or apprentice promoted sooner)
- Leaders wouldn't be able to do AC's when they feel like it
- There would be no more required rps threads because of the large amount of people replying to a site wide AC
We cna do a collection at the begining of the month in the first week where there's a thread for apprentices or kits to be posted in it to be promoted. Kind of like an AC but not required or doesn't need a thread, unless for apprentices cus I know a lot of leaders like to do ones for them. But maybe the thread is just continuos but only gets updated at the end of the first week of the month, so a new thread doesn't need made every month for it?
I don't really like the idea of having an AC for all the clans. I've got my set schedule of putting up NightClan's every 1st of the month, that goes on for 10 days. It also just kind of voids the agency of the leaders as some may have different needs they need to meet for an AC. Some might like a longer AC or shorter AC, others might like a lengthier period of time between ACs, other's want it monthly. Plus sometimes they have to have ACs at different times to meet their schedules. For instance if a leader has say finals when the sitewide AC was scheduled that would be awful. Also some leaders want different expectations to be met. Some use ACs to poise questions to their clan members, it'd be a lot harder to do that with a massive site wide AC.
There'd be a lot of characters to wade through for an AC, I have a lot in NightClan, and combined with all my other clans it would be a faf for a leader to sort through. Some groups also make it nice and you can just put all your characters in the keep and since it's by clan it's easy for the leader to do that.
-IT's a lot of threads to make, and many leaders make it a requirement to help stimulate activity in a clan. AS it'll nudge them to post replies to their threads or make new ones. IT doesn't always work that way but it does help. So during that 2 week period, that's a lot of threads to make and it'd likely be hard for leaders to have that requirement if they want to have it.
-Leaders are very good at sending out messages for ACs, and plus it pushes you to have to go to the clan and fill out an AC there.
-Some people have cats in all the clans, that'd be a lot of cats to put down. Whereas it'd be easier to just go to the clan when an AC comes up and reply All and fulfill the requirements as the leader asks.
Those are some good points. For that I edited my post to say that there should be an "all" option for Keep. But if you have some characters you want to delete you can specify those
Username: Faith
Clans: Forest Clans, WinterClan
Keep: All
Delete: Lilypelt (SunClan), Hawknose (WinterClan)
Leaders of those clans then know, "Okay, keep all of Faith's cats in SunClan except Lilypelt."
From there you would need to list out all the clans you're in, but if you're in a group of clans you can also specify it by group such as Survival Clans, Revolution Groups, etc.
Although it is true that leaders have their own schedule, this idea significantly lessens that schedule. They would only have to check for characters once every two months and leaders would no longer have to make the AC. If anything, we'd be asking significantly less of leaders and improving our members ability to stay organized with AC's, not feel pressed for time, or worried they missed an AC. Please keep the conversation going though, anyone who's a member post your comments and criticism below, let's try to make a more organized solution!
I feel like putting "all" though doesn't help. Because then cats get overlooked in clans if someone isn't paying attention, like the role player for threads or promotions, or the leaders for marking them. Especially since each clan is still going to want an active thread to help with their activity level. That's a lot of threads on the role player to make sure to get in for each clan as well as to be checked to make sure they're all there on the leaders.
I like when I'm doing ACs to be able to go "ok pao, she wants all her others saved with one promoted and two deleted." Then I move on by post/role player. If someone's not paying attention to a site wide AC they may get over looked or missed and/or their post in general missed and all their cats deleted. I'd rather be adding one or two cats back at a time than all of them because I was counted as missed when I wasn't.
That and I can't count how many times people forget to check the absence chart and then those cats get deleted. If say NightClan's AC is at the beginning of the month and you miss the first two weeks of that month but you're on the absence chart and still get your cats deleted, then you still have a chance to save your cats in EC at the end of the month. While getting the others added back if you want them the first chance you get to NC
I've seen the site wide AC's and I wasn't a fan of it. It was a hassle to remember all the clans I was in as well as make a thread of reach clan and I had to have threads to be promoted. Too many times I missed a clan and was deleted from that clan, and it was a hassle then to get readded though that was just that site, but it still to me a while to notice what had happened. I like it separate because then I don't have to worry about missing a thread. Far to often I lost cats because I didn't have a thread of that particular clan when I had my cat marked as keep. The site wide AC was part of the reason I left that site, that and the staff and it's extremely high maintenance on how to even add a cat and how that took over a month sometimes.
I think doing them every other month would work better or even make them all at the beginning of the month. Or even certain ones at the beginning of the month like the mountain clans and LKR, and then the revoluntary groups and survival clanss at the end. That may be easier then on people who are in certain groups or clans to know when to look for ACs. I know EC doesn't really have a set time like NC does so that may help
As someone who is a member of over half of this sites groups/clans and at one point had two or more characters in every group, I don't think it is too much for each group to have their own ACs because not all clans even require threads and I think it is an important tools to make sure that users are being active and characters are actually being used. Clan pages are not storage for cats that users are not using. If you are gone for a period of time and worried about missing an AC then any user should be putting themselves on the Absence Chart.
I honestly despise site wide ACs. They are often times chaotic and it would be more difficult to make sure cats are getting promoting and that people are actually, actively, participating in the clan. I might recommend clans being on a more cohesive schedule that is communicated, perhaps? Summerclan has an Activity Check every month from the 1st-9th and I do not plan to deviate from this schedule and wholeheartedly disagree from having site wide ACs. As a leader, i will have less time to check in with those participating in my clan and i believe that is very important. It's not the only way i do it but sometimes i can get a better sense of my clan through activity checks and its needs.
I don't believe in doing something just because we have always done it, but in this case we do it and it works and it has worked for a long time. Could we possibly be more organized about it and shape it better? Absolutely, but I wholeheartedly disagree with having site wide ACs.
(Sorry if this post is repetitive or disorganized, I'm tired and on a lot of meds cx)
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POSTEDMar 19, 2019 11:29:03 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I, personally, see more of a benefit in individual Clan ACs than a sitewide AC.
Individual Clan ACs offer: — A unique set-up per clan — A chance for clan staff to see who’s active in their clan without getting confused in the chaos — A chance for clan staff to receive opinions on ideas or questions about promotion pertaining to that clan — more responsibility for clan staff (leader & deputy) meaning better attention to detail and a feeling of control over their clan — it can also help with scheduling everything else. i schedule my ACs on the 1st to the 8th and do everything else, including clan-wide plots, afterward.
Sitewide ACs offer: — less messages (though if we utilize the group system on proboards this could also not be an issue for individual ACs) — a united time for ACs (which could also spell disaster for those who may be gone that week, imagine not having a computer available AC week and instead of a couple characters being deleted, they all are) — more clutter (while it wouldn’t be 14 individual threads, we have 14 groups on here and at least 32 active members — that adds up in a single thread fast and can be harder to navigate than individual ones for leaders marking users)
I just want to note that if we had a site-wide activity check then all of the ceremonies would be done at the same time (if I'm reading this correctly). That seems pretty problematic for anyone who ends up mentoring in multiple clans because then they have to might have to make a lot of training threads in the same week.
Personally I don't mind having activity checks every month since most of them are pretty simple and don't even require threads, but I can also see how quickly it can become overwhelming. The QCAs only require ACs within six weeks of each other - maybe if some leaders want to spread theirs out more, that could help reduce the overwhelming number of them?
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POSTEDMar 20, 2019 9:39:44 GMT -5 TO Ideas & Suggestions
I really don't like the idea of a site-wide activity check. I can understand the logic behind it: one thread to reply to, less messages, etc. However, I think that the pros for individual activity checks are greater, if just because they allow autonomy for the groups. I really don't like doing anything that removes the autonomy from our leaders for reasons that aren't absolutely necessary. Although you could argue that better convenience could be necessary, the site would survive without it.
(I also would be totally uncomfortable with letting users do anything less than like explicitly saying exactly where they have cats, and preferably exactly what cats they have where, in order to make the system more manageable for our 14 leaders)
And I want to also confirm and validate Pao's concern that if you were gone for whatever reason, like that's it. I generally am gone two weeks for sure out of each semester, sometimes 4 depending on how midterms look. Say I forgot to put myself on the absence chart. I would come back and all of my cats would be deleted, and I would be so frustrated. I don't keep my bios in other places, so when my cats get deleted, they're gone. To suddenly come back and have no cats would make it really hard for me, and I feel like other people as well, to come back and get re-started on the site. I think we should keep that in mind too when we talk about one mass thread or fourteen threads at the same time of the month, etc.
I also don't know that we can any more than suggest leaders to make them less frequently. If leaders know that it can be overwhelming, they might be willing to spread theirs out more. I know BrookClan has one every six weeks unless there are particular circumstances that come up. However, if leaders don't want to, I don't think we have any right to say they have to, if that makes sense? For a lot of leaders, ACs are used as a way to ensure that users rp in the group at least once a month. They provide activity stabilization when used for that purpose. They're really good tools if you know how to use them. I don't think we have the right to take away a super helpful tool.
Every other month would not be condusive to the QCA as it stands, though. As Cleav said, it requires one within the last 6 weeks, and two months would be pushing the 8 week deal if it was every other month. That would have to change if this were to be moved forward into a moderator discussion.
I also want to say that if we made all clans do it at the same time each month, you'll run into the same problem with like making threads / training / etc as Cleav suggested.
TLDR ; I think we can suggest that leaders are more infrequent with their acs, but I don't think that we can demand that they are.
