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I ask this not out of malice, but out of genuine curiosity. I’m not a staff member and haven’t been for some time, so I don’t have access to this information.
Can the administrators nominate and vote for other users while the moderators cannot?
If that’s the case, that doesn’t seem to fair to me.
It was said in the thread that the moderators are being punished for one of them breaching confidentiality but not coming forward. However, isn’t it possible that one of the admins leaked information? How can you know for certain it was a moderator if you don’t know who it was? Are you going off word of mouth? Assumptions? If that’s the case, shouldn’t both groups be under equal scrutiny?
If it’s the case that neither group can nominate, be nominated, or vote, then I think that’s fair and I apologize for assuming! The wording in the nomination thread simply wasn’t clear to me. c:
However, please note that we do take these confidentiality investigations seriously. I cannot currently share information about the breach, but I will assure you that we only mention the moderator team in this thread because we have evidence of their involvement.
I absolutely understand that you can't share information about the breach investigation with those not involved. While I don't understand what kind of evidence would be proof of the moderators collective guilt without it proving the guilt of a specific moderator, I respect that I haven't seen the specific piece(s) of evidence and can't make a definitive statement about it.
That aside, I had a follow-up question! Who will be certifying the final results of the vote? I think if no members of the staff are allowed to vote, it might be good to have multiple individuals from multiple ranks view and confirm the final results on the original voting form/medium. For example: a committee of three; a deputy or ru, a moderator, and an administrator all see the final votes and counter-check them. This isn't out of mistrust, but out of a desire to have an open, honest, and transparent election with results that everyone feels confident in! c:
I appreciate you respecting our position here! Rest assured we’re refraining from sharing evidence due to the nature of this offense and those involved; we don’t want to issue an unfair number of warnings.
Currently, our plan is for the administrators to deliver the results. This is because we an an unbiased party: we hold no stakes in the outcome of the election and, given that we cannot vote, cannot rig the vote.
However, I’ll be happy to pass your idea up to the others and see how we can accommodate it!
Before I say anything else, I don't want it to come across that I'm accusing the current admin team of being biased, corrupt, or dishonest. I respect the work you've put into this site and don't believe any of you would rig the vote or have any intention of skewing the results.
However, if the party currently in power are the only ones who have access to the vote breakdown, it's not a free and fair election. For example, the sitting president- even if they aren't running again- does not count and deliver the results for the current presidential election. An independent group counts and certifies the results.
As good as your intentions may be, no group is inherently unbiased. You do technically hold stakes in the outcome- this will be your team of successors, the group to lead the site immediately after your resignation. Again, while I don't believe you all would rig the election, I would feel much more comfortable having a team of multiple people from multiple positions who can hold each other accountable for correctly counting the vote. I know you believe that the admins serve as this accountability for each other, but as a non-staff member, it would be nice to see multiple levels of staff holding each other accountable so there's as much security in the result as possible.
So please do pass along the idea! I'd be glad to get other users opinions on this as well, or discuss it further here.
I'm sorry that you're leaving and I wish you the best. I truly believe you're not trying to rig the results, and that you don't feel that you have any stakes in the process. However, all my previous points still stand.
Elections as broad and important as this one should not be verified by a restricted group of people. That's not how any democratic system does things. I'm not saying it has to be me, or any particular person, that sees the results. I'm just saying the results should be certified by more than just one rank of people. Maybe it's all of the admins, one mod, and one ru. Maybe it's more than that, maybe less. I don't have specific suggestions, I just think it's important to have the utmost integrity and transparency in an election this vital for the site's future.
If you trust we aren’t going to rig the results, then I don’t understand the need to create an extra system to verify them. This is a cat roleplay site. The one thing that’s making it so I can’t be happy here is the constant emphasis on politics like this.
Please trust your new staff more or they will burn out same as your current admin staff.
I do trust you, Jadie. Please don't misconstrue my words or place blame on me for burning out the staff. I am not saying that I mistrust the administrators. I'm saying that it does not make sense for the current holders of positions to be the only ones to see the votes for the next holders of those positions.
The only thing that I want is a free and fair election. I don't think that is a political statement. I'm suggesting a way for everyone involved in the process to be held completely accountable, and I don't think that should be a statement that makes anyone uncomfortable.
You can't say 'no offense' and then say something offensive.
You've gotten your answer it's time to stop.
Jetclaw your response is rude and unneccessary. I have not gotten my answer, this an open discussion. I have said nothing offensive and have expressed nothing but a desire for openness. I don't appreciate being silenced.
Thanks for outlining your concerns Sunlight, but the current admin staff will review and announce the results, same as we always have. You may petition your requests for a change in this process to the new admin team.
Update: After automating the vote counting process and talking with the team and with Sunlight, we’ve agreed we will just post the final result but make a Sankey Diagram available for everyone to see.
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